or agricultural workers or areas of s.t.e.m. education that would give immediate green cards. i think in the end you will see more of a piecemeal effort than the comprehensive. >> really? >> although i think this is a good beginning. >> you think it will be step by step, incremental, not the whole kit 'n' kaboodle, what the white house wants to see? >> i do. i have been in those negotiations and meetings, and i think you find one group for a part of it, but then they fall out on something else, and, therefore, the something else, and then the first group falls out. i have seen that, and i think in the end, you will have a good start, and i think this is a good start, but i think you are going to have much more incremental successes and i think we should start on those incremental successes. >> really quickly while i have you here, let's switch gears to the other hot topic. gun rights. a long-time supporter, a grade "a" from the nra while in office. you recently said that high capacity magazines are a real danger to our society. what else needs to happen? and politically at this particular junctu